I love collecting vintage computers and phones, so I use an ATA to allow me to connect them to a "landline." I use voip.ms, and I keep a little bit of money in there. Mostly, so I can show my friends that my rotary phone actually works! Surprisingly, I haven't got spam calls on that line (yet).
Back in the mid-2000s, I used to get calls in the middle of the night, multiple times per night, from fax machines to my fairly new but unlisted number. The ringing would wake me up. I answered a couple of times to try to understand who it is, only to hear the fax tone.
I thought I'd be clever and figure out whose fax machine was calling me, so I could tell them to update their call list. So I installed some fax machine software on my PC and hooked it up to the phone (somehow). Unfortunately, it was all advertising for various scam-like products and services, so I couldn't identify a caller.
Apparently, the number the phone company had given me once belonged to a fax machine. So I called the phone company and changed my number. The calls stopped.
I've got a handful of phone numbers, and the amount of spam each gets is quite different, seemingly based on their history. My longstanding gvoice number gets a some, my parents' old landline number gets more. Some numbers that came right from a VOIP provider get basically none.
When I was taking care of my dad in his final months, he had stopped answering the phone because of all the spam. I hooked an FXO ATA to his copper landline and connected it to Asterisk. When the caller ID was on the whitelist, it was allowed to ring. When the caller ID wasn't on the whitelist, Asterisk picked up, played SIT tones and "please try your call again", and made it so the number would be considered whitelisted for the next call (aka greylisting). This worked remarkably well for blocking the spam. And the one time a legit caller wasn't on the whitelist, they dutifully called back (I had fat-fingered my uncle's number in the whitelist, oops).
That is to say, I think there is a good market for telephony products tailored to specific use cases rather than just naively passing through every incoming call. There is no reason the kids' phones have to ring for anything but bona fide calls from their friends during appropriate hours.
(I also dream of setting up an on-hold system of "please continue to wait for your party", for calls from doctor's offices and the like where they're all too happy to drop a voicemail to consider their responsibility over, and then it becomes your responsibility to call them back and wade through multiple levels of phone trees just to put a note in the system for them to call you back again)
I actually just got rid of my landline (most recently a VOIP line) after having one for maybe 40 years (in one form or another). I am so late to the party that the thing I thought was old is now new again.
These articles are a complete waste of time. They cherry-pick examples from a literal handful of people and declare "Old thing is new again!" and people upvote it here like it's at all based in reality.
This is just like the "Teens are starting to use flip phones" or "Teens are starting to use paper maps" BS stories we've also seen on HN.
It's the laziest form of "journalism", it's just clickbait trash. A handful of people is not a trend. Please stop upvoting this nonsense.
There's an abundance of young people looking to get away from apps, smartphones and being constantly online. Sure landlines are not making a huge comeback, but these young people are looking for alternatives. You hear some revival attempts for old tech because it's focused on doing one thing like making a call or playing music while not taking over your attention and time. People want to stop doomscrolling. Meta, Apple and other huge corpos are betting on wearables and are already using marketing that emphasizes unobtrusive tech. We'll see what happens.
> There's an abundance of young people looking to get away from apps, smartphones and being constantly online.
Press X to doubt.
I believe that people are, slowly, waking up to the dangers of all these things but I don't believe for a second there is an "abundance" of young (or old) people who feel that way. I wish that was the case, but it's clearly not. And I'd love to see more articles about that but on-off or small groups of people throwing the baby out with the bathwater aren't helpful IMHO.
I am in favor of not allowing students to use phones in school, of banning social media for young people (though age verification is a can of worms), etc. I just think articles about "Landlines are ringing in homes again" are silly, not based in reality, and a waste of all our time.
Reminds me of the [tin can](https://tincan.kids/). Don't have one yet, but hope they stick around so I can get one for my kids when they get a little older.
I love collecting vintage computers and phones, so I use an ATA to allow me to connect them to a "landline." I use voip.ms, and I keep a little bit of money in there. Mostly, so I can show my friends that my rotary phone actually works! Surprisingly, I haven't got spam calls on that line (yet).
Mine rings 5 times a day with scam calls, it does not make me happy.
Back in the mid-2000s, I used to get calls in the middle of the night, multiple times per night, from fax machines to my fairly new but unlisted number. The ringing would wake me up. I answered a couple of times to try to understand who it is, only to hear the fax tone.
I thought I'd be clever and figure out whose fax machine was calling me, so I could tell them to update their call list. So I installed some fax machine software on my PC and hooked it up to the phone (somehow). Unfortunately, it was all advertising for various scam-like products and services, so I couldn't identify a caller.
Apparently, the number the phone company had given me once belonged to a fax machine. So I called the phone company and changed my number. The calls stopped.
yeah, that is why I haven't had a landline in 20 years. My isp upgraded to voip and almost immediately we were assaulted by all-day, all-night spam.
The "landlines" of 2026 are not the same as phones back in the day.
I've got a handful of phone numbers, and the amount of spam each gets is quite different, seemingly based on their history. My longstanding gvoice number gets a some, my parents' old landline number gets more. Some numbers that came right from a VOIP provider get basically none.
When I was taking care of my dad in his final months, he had stopped answering the phone because of all the spam. I hooked an FXO ATA to his copper landline and connected it to Asterisk. When the caller ID was on the whitelist, it was allowed to ring. When the caller ID wasn't on the whitelist, Asterisk picked up, played SIT tones and "please try your call again", and made it so the number would be considered whitelisted for the next call (aka greylisting). This worked remarkably well for blocking the spam. And the one time a legit caller wasn't on the whitelist, they dutifully called back (I had fat-fingered my uncle's number in the whitelist, oops).
That is to say, I think there is a good market for telephony products tailored to specific use cases rather than just naively passing through every incoming call. There is no reason the kids' phones have to ring for anything but bona fide calls from their friends during appropriate hours.
(I also dream of setting up an on-hold system of "please continue to wait for your party", for calls from doctor's offices and the like where they're all too happy to drop a voicemail to consider their responsibility over, and then it becomes your responsibility to call them back and wade through multiple levels of phone trees just to put a note in the system for them to call you back again)
I actually just got rid of my landline (most recently a VOIP line) after having one for maybe 40 years (in one form or another). I am so late to the party that the thing I thought was old is now new again.
These articles are a complete waste of time. They cherry-pick examples from a literal handful of people and declare "Old thing is new again!" and people upvote it here like it's at all based in reality.
This is just like the "Teens are starting to use flip phones" or "Teens are starting to use paper maps" BS stories we've also seen on HN.
It's the laziest form of "journalism", it's just clickbait trash. A handful of people is not a trend. Please stop upvoting this nonsense.
There's an abundance of young people looking to get away from apps, smartphones and being constantly online. Sure landlines are not making a huge comeback, but these young people are looking for alternatives. You hear some revival attempts for old tech because it's focused on doing one thing like making a call or playing music while not taking over your attention and time. People want to stop doomscrolling. Meta, Apple and other huge corpos are betting on wearables and are already using marketing that emphasizes unobtrusive tech. We'll see what happens.
> There's an abundance of young people looking to get away from apps, smartphones and being constantly online.
Press X to doubt.
I believe that people are, slowly, waking up to the dangers of all these things but I don't believe for a second there is an "abundance" of young (or old) people who feel that way. I wish that was the case, but it's clearly not. And I'd love to see more articles about that but on-off or small groups of people throwing the baby out with the bathwater aren't helpful IMHO.
I am in favor of not allowing students to use phones in school, of banning social media for young people (though age verification is a can of worms), etc. I just think articles about "Landlines are ringing in homes again" are silly, not based in reality, and a waste of all our time.
We had a land line in the house around 2013 so the kids could call for help when home alone.
It was ringing non-stop with phone scams and telemarketers.
Reminds me of the [tin can](https://tincan.kids/). Don't have one yet, but hope they stick around so I can get one for my kids when they get a little older.
Meanwhile in Finland all landlines will be gone this year.