The charging station infrastructure is a big issue. In China, which has perhaps the most complete charging infrastructure, most of the "fast" chargers you encounter are still no more than 200 kW, including those on expressways. The previous-generation BYD megawatt fast charging (Han L EV && Tang L EV) has been out for over a year, but the megawatt flash chargers that match them remain very scarce, so their practical value is quite limited — this is also reflected in their rather unimpressive sales.
> The new Denza Z9 GT, or the world’s longest-range pure EV, as BYD claims, is headed to Europe, offering 5-minute fast charging and a WLTP range of nearly 500 miles.
I guess BYD doesn’t know about Lucid? Or the behemoth truck EVs like the Chevy Silverado EV? Both of those have nearly 500mi of EPA range, which means a lot more range than WLTP in normal conditions.
> Thanks to BYD’s new Blade Battery 2.0 and Flash Charging technology, the all-electric shooting brake can drive up to 1,036 km (644 miles) under CTLC conditions
This is what makes the longest range EV as per their claim.
The "range of nearly 500 miles" is what is going on sale in Europe.
Is 5min charge and 500mile range enough to finally stop the usual procession of objections to EVs? I know this is a luxury model and the charging stations will take awhile to roll out, but the trajectory is crystal clear and the momentum fast.
Where’s the usual comments claiming that hybrids are the true way forward?
> Where’s the usual comments claiming that hybrids are the true way forward?
I've never ever seen anyone claim that hybrid is the end goal.
I've only ever seen people say that hybrid is the practical stopgap until faster charging rate/infrastructure and better range is available, probably the result of next-gen batteries.
There are a number of reasons. 1) You won't always have access to the 1.5MW charging. 2) Stopping to charge, even if it's just for a few minutes, is inconvenient. 3) A larger battery will allow for greater lifetime range before it degrades to <80%
You forgot the biggest reason: Winter. What works for benchmarking under nice Cali weather condition doesn't work for IRL. Current generation lithium ion estimates are ~30-50% halving of range in winter (it's especially bad if you don't have your own garage with charging and pre warming the battery can easily reduce the availability battery capacity by another few percent in exchange for better en route efficiency).
The charging station infrastructure is a big issue. In China, which has perhaps the most complete charging infrastructure, most of the "fast" chargers you encounter are still no more than 200 kW, including those on expressways. The previous-generation BYD megawatt fast charging (Han L EV && Tang L EV) has been out for over a year, but the megawatt flash chargers that match them remain very scarce, so their practical value is quite limited — this is also reflected in their rather unimpressive sales.
> The new Denza Z9 GT, or the world’s longest-range pure EV, as BYD claims, is headed to Europe, offering 5-minute fast charging and a WLTP range of nearly 500 miles.
I guess BYD doesn’t know about Lucid? Or the behemoth truck EVs like the Chevy Silverado EV? Both of those have nearly 500mi of EPA range, which means a lot more range than WLTP in normal conditions.
Can any of those charge in 5 min?
That’s not the claim. Longest range is the claim, not “fastest total travel time” or something.
> Thanks to BYD’s new Blade Battery 2.0 and Flash Charging technology, the all-electric shooting brake can drive up to 1,036 km (644 miles) under CTLC conditions
This is what makes the longest range EV as per their claim.
The "range of nearly 500 miles" is what is going on sale in Europe.
Is 5min charge and 500mile range enough to finally stop the usual procession of objections to EVs? I know this is a luxury model and the charging stations will take awhile to roll out, but the trajectory is crystal clear and the momentum fast.
Where’s the usual comments claiming that hybrids are the true way forward?
> Where’s the usual comments claiming that hybrids are the true way forward?
I've never ever seen anyone claim that hybrid is the end goal.
I've only ever seen people say that hybrid is the practical stopgap until faster charging rate/infrastructure and better range is available, probably the result of next-gen batteries.
EVs around the world will be getting 1000 miles and we’ll (US) be adding a 3rd row to our trucks.
Wait, people here claim that hybrid is the future? All while Chinese EVs are taking over everywhere?
It’s in every discussion here on EVs. Thread after thread of PHEVs lauded as the “obvious practical choice” despite being already essentially obsolete
if you can fast charge in 5 minutes, why do you need the cost and weight of a 500 mile range 130kwh battery?
There are a number of reasons. 1) You won't always have access to the 1.5MW charging. 2) Stopping to charge, even if it's just for a few minutes, is inconvenient. 3) A larger battery will allow for greater lifetime range before it degrades to <80%
You forgot the biggest reason: Winter. What works for benchmarking under nice Cali weather condition doesn't work for IRL. Current generation lithium ion estimates are ~30-50% halving of range in winter (it's especially bad if you don't have your own garage with charging and pre warming the battery can easily reduce the availability battery capacity by another few percent in exchange for better en route efficiency).
range anxiety
How does the fast charging affect the life and long term performance of the battery?
Holy smokes! Now this is the future and innovation I love to see. I can't wait to get my hands on any BYD.
> The Denza Z9 GT is available in China, starting at 269,800 yuan ($39,300).
Oh my. EV war is over I suppose.
Considering BYD is down in sales it doesn’t seem like that’s the case
Probably meant the war between EVs and gasoline cars, not the one between all the brands in China.
The Chinese government has been all in on electrifying everything that they possibly can.
China can make electricity. Gasoline is at the whims of a US president.