First thing I see when I try to visit Startpage, for probably the first time ever, is "Our system has detected the type of high-volume traffic coming from your internet connection that is normally associated with bots and scrapers." WTF. Total BULLSHIT. I have accessed that site precisely ZERO times from this IP. Now it will be one, and the last time I ever try.
The difficult bit isn't the core JavaScript support. There are a dozen engines packaged as libraries that can use for that. The difficult bit is supporting all of the hundreds of DOM APIs.
Also the "undefined behaviours" used for fingerprinting and denying access to non-mainstream UAs even if they have JS support. If I remember correctly, YouTube was doing something like that.
Google at this point kind of controls the www. Now, strictly speaking that statement is not true, but it now feels as if Google sits in so many areas that are important for the www; chrome is just the most obvious one.
I can browse HN fine with both Servo [0] and Blitz [1] (the latter of which is no-JS like Dillo). So I think there might be something Dillo-specific going on here.
BTW Thanks for all fixes, especially this one https://bug.dillo-browser.org/511/. Dillo (3.2.0) crashed quite often on my system because of this bug. I hope I will compile and test the new release soon.
With these age verification laws and depending upon what Firefox does, dillo could very well be the go-to browser on Linux and BSD. If these laws hit us and Firefox adds logic to verify one's age, I will be 100% dillo.
Understandable but I think the age sniffing laws are much more profound. It's fascinating to see how quickly all countries succumb to them right now.
People may not believe it right now, but I think anonymously browsing the www will be a thing of the past in some years. People should see the concomitant attacks on VPNs - this is all concerted, not "isolated accidents". We need to make the flow of money obvious - I am fed up of being controlled by lobbyists.
Dildo Browser sounds like the name of a website aggregating sex toy store products. Could be interesting to build if it doesn't exist yet. Maybe add features like showing where a given product is available at the lowest price, product comparisons, and user reviews.
dilloc began before the 3.3.0 release, in some previous git commits and it was amazing.
It's pretty easy to write a redirect menu item calling a script similar to a plumber/xdg-open
replacing the JS url's with non JS ones, a la Libredirect under Firefox/Chromium.
Yeah, I was going to say the same thing, kind of an unfortunate name. Why? It makes you think of a DILD*. Then you have to remind yourself, they probably mean armadillo.
Unfortunately even Google started requiring JS, which was a huge attack against small browsers and the open web.
The Google index is still accessible from many other "proxy search engines" that still work without JS, one example is Startpage.
See the nice list from Seirdy for more details on search engines: https://seirdy.one/posts/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-...
First thing I see when I try to visit Startpage, for probably the first time ever, is "Our system has detected the type of high-volume traffic coming from your internet connection that is normally associated with bots and scrapers." WTF. Total BULLSHIT. I have accessed that site precisely ZERO times from this IP. Now it will be one, and the last time I ever try.
Yep, https://html.duckduckgo.com works well in such browser though :)
Also check out http://frogfind.com/, it automatically converts results into basic HTML.
But does it require ES6? Javascript was quite minimal in the early days. It doesn't need a JIT, in fact I'd prefer it not to be.
The difficult bit isn't the core JavaScript support. There are a dozen engines packaged as libraries that can use for that. The difficult bit is supporting all of the hundreds of DOM APIs.
Also the "undefined behaviours" used for fingerprinting and denying access to non-mainstream UAs even if they have JS support. If I remember correctly, YouTube was doing something like that.
Google at this point kind of controls the www. Now, strictly speaking that statement is not true, but it now feels as if Google sits in so many areas that are important for the www; chrome is just the most obvious one.
It’s a shame that in my case trying to use Dillo here (HN) keeps returning 429, something that doesn’t happen with "full‑size" browsers (JS?).
There are no special rules against modern browsers. Can you reproduce it systematically?, if so, any chances you can paste the HTTP headers?
In any case, apart from our cgit instance we have mirrors in Codeberg and SourceHut:
- https://git.dillo-browser.org/dillo/
- https://codeberg.org/dillo/dillo
- https://git.sr.ht/~dillo/dillo
I meant browsing HN with Dillo. And it is not Dillo's fault. Other not "mainstream" browsers have the same problem.
I can browse HN fine with both Servo [0] and Blitz [1] (the latter of which is no-JS like Dillo). So I think there might be something Dillo-specific going on here.
[0]: https://github.com/servo/servo/
[1]: https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz/
Ahh, I see. Yes, I also see it sometimes, for those cases the "Mimic Chrome" workaround usually fixes it.
I assume is a side effect of abusive crawlers compounded with Dillo headers not being very common.
Very possible. I was too lazy to investigate.
BTW Thanks for all fixes, especially this one https://bug.dillo-browser.org/511/. Dillo (3.2.0) crashed quite often on my system because of this bug. I hope I will compile and test the new release soon.
I use dillo a lot, congratulations!
With these age verification laws and depending upon what Firefox does, dillo could very well be the go-to browser on Linux and BSD. If these laws hit us and Firefox adds logic to verify one's age, I will be 100% dillo.
Understandable but I think the age sniffing laws are much more profound. It's fascinating to see how quickly all countries succumb to them right now.
People may not believe it right now, but I think anonymously browsing the www will be a thing of the past in some years. People should see the concomitant attacks on VPNs - this is all concerted, not "isolated accidents". We need to make the flow of money obvious - I am fed up of being controlled by lobbyists.
i totally misread the title of this post. What is wrong with me?
Dildo Browser sounds like the name of a website aggregating sex toy store products. Could be interesting to build if it doesn't exist yet. Maybe add features like showing where a given product is available at the lowest price, product comparisons, and user reviews.
dilloc began before the 3.3.0 release, in some previous git commits and it was amazing.
It's pretty easy to write a redirect menu item calling a script similar to a plumber/xdg-open replacing the JS url's with non JS ones, a la Libredirect under Firefox/Chromium.
that's cool!
Am I the only one who has to giggle when reading that name?
I know people have somewhat related thoughts about the image editor called GIMP.
They missed a great opportunity to name the "Control via UNIX socket" section "Teledillonics".
> Am I the only one who has to giggle when reading that name?
Oh, I know exactly what you’re talking about. I too am reminded of Tom Bombadil’s song from The Fellowship of the Ring every time Dillo is mentioned.
Yeah, I was going to say the same thing, kind of an unfortunate name. Why? It makes you think of a DILD*. Then you have to remind yourself, they probably mean armadillo.