This is a completely fake piece where she poses as a programmer, cites inevitability and finally comes to the conclusion that the skills she possesses will be the more valuable ones in the future.
"""
Growth, marketing, product management, sales - these used to feel like crafts. You built intuition over years. You learned what great looked like. You got good at pattern recognition. You earned judgment and respect by grinding through it all.
AI is flattening a lot of that.
It’s a weird experience to spend ten years becoming excellent at something only to watch a 22-year-old produce a suspiciously solid version of it in 14 minutes.
"""
To me this piece was especially interesting because she's _not_ a programmer. It's the perspective of a different knowledge worker in the same industry as a lot of the commenters here.
It's shitty when people have bots post any link they can find, it defeats the point of what's supposed to be curated. We end up with this low quality crap. At least, I assume high submission accounts are bots.
I feel this as well. I’m using these tools to be extremely productive and drive more customer value than ever in shorter timeframes (code. Shipped code and features end to end). But I’m not sure if that means I’ll be extremely valuable in six months, or if I’ll be obsolete when the tools improve enough and founders decide to outsource their thinking to them.
I guess we’ll all just need to be our own founders and grab as much value as possible before the revolution? Haha
As for org flattening: the org structure of most companies - even “cool” or “modern” ones is just gone now. Anything remaining is cultural inertia until money gets tight.
Outside of all of this you have to remember why we’re on this earth and it’s sure as hell not to serve AI or feel pressured to be in front of a screen and max everything.
If you’re productive take your breaks. Be human. Remember that the narrative is not the truth, and you’re doing good work.
Probably not what the author intended, but this article highlights exactly where Millennials (of which I am one) went terribly, terribly wrong. And the last piece of advice at the end is unfortunately the exact opposite of the remedy we need.
The MOAR FASTER OMG CAN'T KEEP UP CHANGE COMES AT YOU FAST FOMO WEEE mindset is what got us into this terrible situation in the first place. I'm not here to bash on my generation, but if we could gently take a piece of advice (probably good for GenXers as well) it would be this:
Slow the ever-loving f*** down.
You will succeed by ignoring nearly all hype cycles, intentionally not jumping on the next big thing, skipping past virtually all "influencers" online…in fact you should probably just spend the bulk of your waking hours offline entirely.
Cal Newport has been one of the leading voices of this corrective movement (Deep Work, Slow Productivity, etc.), and I pray to the gods above that Gen Z rightly rejects so much of this hustle porn that Millennials came up with in the first two decades of this century.
Slow dooowwwnnnn. Focus on real-world values which last, not fleeting spikes in viral activity. Build meangingful community IRL. Learn tangible skills with your brain and your hands. Interface with people who are not at all like you. Talk to more people in different generations. Realize the hazards of "software brain" as The Verge's Nilay Patel wisely has talked about.
We have a lot to answer for I fear. And if we don't want to repeat the mistakes of the Boomers, we really need to shut up and listen to what the kids are telling us. There's a reason they now hate AI and want iPods for Christmas.
> It’s a weird experience to spend ten years becoming excellent at something only to watch a 22-year-old produce a suspiciously solid version of it in 14 minutes
> Which forces a much more uncomfortable question: if your identity was tied to being good at X, what happens when X gets automated?
I've been grappling with the same thing the last few weeks. It's easy to say "don't put your job at the center of your sense of self" but I've been writing software professionally for twelve years now and I like to think I've gotten pretty damn good at it. It's part of who I am. What happens when the value of the thing you're best at decreases sharply?
The answer is, in the Darwinian sense, adapt or die. Same as it ever was.
> Away from execution. Away from being the person who can grind through the work manually. Toward taste, judgment, prioritization, and orchestration. Toward deciding what’s worth building, not just how to build it.
> Which sounds elegant until you realize those are harder skills to build patterns on and really really hard to teach/learn
They're also really hard to objectively measure. That means they are very difficult to interview and hire for, which will lead to even more "let's hire my buddy, I already know him and trust that he really has good taste and judgement"
You had more periods of stability and low inflation/ZIRP to build wealth and skills.
93-00, 02-08, 2012-2019
Millenials only had the one, and you were pretty SOL if you graduated anywhere between 08 and 2011. Oh and the later period of this (2017-2024) saw astronomical price increases on real estate.
There's a reason we're called the 2nd lost generation.
Software developers themselves share a lot of the blame for this AI stuff. They geeked out so hard about the exciting possibilities of the tech that they didn't stop to think that the managers and CEOs would happily cut developers out of the equation as soon as the developers made the tech sufficiently advanced.
Agreed, and unfortunately for the group of us who did realize this and pushed back are seen as luddites and just don't understand how amazing the technology is.
The other funny part is the same folks who go on about "software developers should unionize!!!" conveniently forget that one of the things unions make sure to do is resist attempts to automate away their jobs.
Believe me I know, and I truly resent other devs who were involved in building AI and the ones who have tripped over themselves in their haste to adopt AI
I can agree with a lot of that, and I'd add I'm frankly fed up playing the betatester for bananaware. Even before AI got all hyped up - keeping up with the constant churn, the constant feeling of "don't these people even test their own fucking code examples" was nerve-wracking. And AI made all of that infinitely worse because so, so much stuff just smells like someone had thrown a prompt into Claude Code or Openclaw or whatever and didn't even try to test it out of their specific usecase, much less actually understand it.
I left the field for good, going to study electrical engineering. Even if the planning part of that will be taken over by AI (it's inevitable), good luck to the vampire bloodsucker capitalist elites trying to design a robot wiring up plugs. Trades are the future.
The problem with trades is that you'll forever be beholden to whatever dumb stuff gets designed for you to use in accordance with the code. I get why all of this stuff exists but the longer I live the more I want to retire comfortably to somewhere on acreage where nobody inspects anything because you're only endangering your own dumb self with your bad decisions.
Code rarely changes, and if it does, it's usually tame changes. If at all, you get a bunch more protection devices that are required for new installations.
Author is (was?) a Growth Product Manager at Dropbox.
https://www.elenaverna.com/p/growth-at-dropbox
This is a completely fake piece where she poses as a programmer, cites inevitability and finally comes to the conclusion that the skills she possesses will be the more valuable ones in the future.
This is really a "generation-sell" caricature.
She... isn't posing as a programmer?
""" Growth, marketing, product management, sales - these used to feel like crafts. You built intuition over years. You learned what great looked like. You got good at pattern recognition. You earned judgment and respect by grinding through it all.
AI is flattening a lot of that.
It’s a weird experience to spend ten years becoming excellent at something only to watch a 22-year-old produce a suspiciously solid version of it in 14 minutes. """
To me this piece was especially interesting because she's _not_ a programmer. It's the perspective of a different knowledge worker in the same industry as a lot of the commenters here.
It's shitty when people have bots post any link they can find, it defeats the point of what's supposed to be curated. We end up with this low quality crap. At least, I assume high submission accounts are bots.
I feel this as well. I’m using these tools to be extremely productive and drive more customer value than ever in shorter timeframes (code. Shipped code and features end to end). But I’m not sure if that means I’ll be extremely valuable in six months, or if I’ll be obsolete when the tools improve enough and founders decide to outsource their thinking to them.
I guess we’ll all just need to be our own founders and grab as much value as possible before the revolution? Haha
As for org flattening: the org structure of most companies - even “cool” or “modern” ones is just gone now. Anything remaining is cultural inertia until money gets tight.
Outside of all of this you have to remember why we’re on this earth and it’s sure as hell not to serve AI or feel pressured to be in front of a screen and max everything.
If you’re productive take your breaks. Be human. Remember that the narrative is not the truth, and you’re doing good work.
Probably not what the author intended, but this article highlights exactly where Millennials (of which I am one) went terribly, terribly wrong. And the last piece of advice at the end is unfortunately the exact opposite of the remedy we need.
The MOAR FASTER OMG CAN'T KEEP UP CHANGE COMES AT YOU FAST FOMO WEEE mindset is what got us into this terrible situation in the first place. I'm not here to bash on my generation, but if we could gently take a piece of advice (probably good for GenXers as well) it would be this:
Slow the ever-loving f*** down.
You will succeed by ignoring nearly all hype cycles, intentionally not jumping on the next big thing, skipping past virtually all "influencers" online…in fact you should probably just spend the bulk of your waking hours offline entirely.
Cal Newport has been one of the leading voices of this corrective movement (Deep Work, Slow Productivity, etc.), and I pray to the gods above that Gen Z rightly rejects so much of this hustle porn that Millennials came up with in the first two decades of this century.
Slow dooowwwnnnn. Focus on real-world values which last, not fleeting spikes in viral activity. Build meangingful community IRL. Learn tangible skills with your brain and your hands. Interface with people who are not at all like you. Talk to more people in different generations. Realize the hazards of "software brain" as The Verge's Nilay Patel wisely has talked about.
We have a lot to answer for I fear. And if we don't want to repeat the mistakes of the Boomers, we really need to shut up and listen to what the kids are telling us. There's a reason they now hate AI and want iPods for Christmas.
> It’s a weird experience to spend ten years becoming excellent at something only to watch a 22-year-old produce a suspiciously solid version of it in 14 minutes
> Which forces a much more uncomfortable question: if your identity was tied to being good at X, what happens when X gets automated?
I've been grappling with the same thing the last few weeks. It's easy to say "don't put your job at the center of your sense of self" but I've been writing software professionally for twelve years now and I like to think I've gotten pretty damn good at it. It's part of who I am. What happens when the value of the thing you're best at decreases sharply?
The answer is, in the Darwinian sense, adapt or die. Same as it ever was.
> no flamewarring in comments
> on topic post, neatly within the guidelines
> No egregious self promotion or spam
> thread flagged
Hmmmm… I think some mentally ill individuals on this site hate free speech despite their claims otherwise.
> Away from execution. Away from being the person who can grind through the work manually. Toward taste, judgment, prioritization, and orchestration. Toward deciding what’s worth building, not just how to build it.
> Which sounds elegant until you realize those are harder skills to build patterns on and really really hard to teach/learn
They're also really hard to objectively measure. That means they are very difficult to interview and hire for, which will lead to even more "let's hire my buddy, I already know him and trust that he really has good taste and judgement"
It's probably not a good thing
What meaningful stuff can you even measure though? The stuff you can measure is easily gamed and bad signal.
> "let's hire my buddy, I already know him and trust that he really has good taste and judgement"
We're back to the startup gold rush again then I guess, well if it weren't for those pesky interest rates.
This right here is exactly where I've been at mentally and emotionally for the last couple of years.
I worked so hard to break into web dev in the very late 2010s because the deal supposedly was:
1. Learn to code 2. Get your first real job as a software developer 3. Enjoy your comfortable middle-class lifestyle
but I barely got to enjoy any of this before the calendar switched over to 2020 and it's been one fucking thing after another.
I graduated in 2008. It's been one thing after another my whole life.
Yeah, 1993 here. Same.
Not only one thing after another, but often the same things all over again after a decade or so.
No, not the same.
You had more periods of stability and low inflation/ZIRP to build wealth and skills.
93-00, 02-08, 2012-2019
Millenials only had the one, and you were pretty SOL if you graduated anywhere between 08 and 2011. Oh and the later period of this (2017-2024) saw astronomical price increases on real estate.
There's a reason we're called the 2nd lost generation.
Yeah, it's been a pretty big, nasty rug pull on a lot of us who spent years building these skills
Just another "fuck you" from a society that has been pulling up the ladder our whole lives
Software developers themselves share a lot of the blame for this AI stuff. They geeked out so hard about the exciting possibilities of the tech that they didn't stop to think that the managers and CEOs would happily cut developers out of the equation as soon as the developers made the tech sufficiently advanced.
Agreed, and unfortunately for the group of us who did realize this and pushed back are seen as luddites and just don't understand how amazing the technology is.
The other funny part is the same folks who go on about "software developers should unionize!!!" conveniently forget that one of the things unions make sure to do is resist attempts to automate away their jobs.
Believe me I know, and I truly resent other devs who were involved in building AI and the ones who have tripped over themselves in their haste to adopt AI
I can agree with a lot of that, and I'd add I'm frankly fed up playing the betatester for bananaware. Even before AI got all hyped up - keeping up with the constant churn, the constant feeling of "don't these people even test their own fucking code examples" was nerve-wracking. And AI made all of that infinitely worse because so, so much stuff just smells like someone had thrown a prompt into Claude Code or Openclaw or whatever and didn't even try to test it out of their specific usecase, much less actually understand it.
I left the field for good, going to study electrical engineering. Even if the planning part of that will be taken over by AI (it's inevitable), good luck to the vampire bloodsucker capitalist elites trying to design a robot wiring up plugs. Trades are the future.
The problem with trades is that you'll forever be beholden to whatever dumb stuff gets designed for you to use in accordance with the code. I get why all of this stuff exists but the longer I live the more I want to retire comfortably to somewhere on acreage where nobody inspects anything because you're only endangering your own dumb self with your bad decisions.
Code rarely changes, and if it does, it's usually tame changes. If at all, you get a bunch more protection devices that are required for new installations.
I wonder if there is enough trades work for everyone, or if oversupply will drop the floor out of those markets, too.
"AI isn't coming for your plumbing job; white collar workers are."
AI is coming for the plumbing jobs. But it’ll be a while before the embodiments get sorted out
> I left the field for good, going to study electrical engineering.
Aren’t most of the EE jobs in Asia now?
I'm referring to what Germany's term for EE is - people who, for example, plan the national electrical grid or large industrial plants' power stuff.
"betatester for bananaware" hahaha amazing
> Trades are the future.
Yep, as long as you don't mind getting undercut by illegal immigrants.
And overworked in general. The immigrants don’t mind that part.
Germany requires licenses for plumbers, gas guys and electricians. You need either a trade education or an academic education.