It sounds like Varnish Cache is kind of a distribution of Vinyl Cache. It's based on the FOSS project with its own downstream patches.
On another topic:
> The Varnish Cache FOSS software was initiated and sponsored by the Norvegian newspaper Verdens Gang. They hired a company called “Linpro” to handle the logistics and me to write the code.
> From Linpro grew the company Varnish Software
> IP-Lawyers still insist that Varnish Software owns the Varnish Cache name
Consultants came in a just assumed the IP? It sounds like a pretty complicated cross-border ordeal, but that is still quite a leap.
The one positive of this is it seems to have livened up the open source project (Vinyl Cache). Features that haven't been added for years are now being worked on, whether they step on the toes of the commercial offering or not.
Well I guess the enterprise side of varnish was quite beneficial to him (and the core devs) over that time. If something gives you financial freedom over 10+ years to work on a thing you love, you can't be mad at all of it.
But if FOSS is deeply encoded into your DNA, you become pretty protective once you realize your project may become extinct sometimes in the future.
does the mysql/mariadb comparison actually make sense? mysql is not really a downstream distro of mariadb (maaybe even the opposite?) so i thought i understood the situation as presented until that paragraph
The way I remember it, was that MySQL was sold, then some time after, MariaDB was created as a fork, and you could switch between them. Then at one point MariaDB diverged sufficiently that you could no longer "effortlessly" (kinda) switch between them, by now they're separate but MariaDB's origin is still MySQL obviously.
I had the same immediate reaction. It's a completely nonsensical comparison which just demonstrates the author is extremely confused about the relationship between MySQL and MariaDB, in terms of their corporate entities and project structures.
That said, it seems to be a common point of confusion among FOSS die-hards, but still super unfortunate to see it repeated in this context!
The comparison with MySQL/MariaDB is unfortunate, given that since the "split" MariaDB has shown itself to be every bit the corporate owned "FOSS" project while its supporters still harp on about how terrible oracle is for OSS, without actually acknowledging the real history of each respective project and accompanying company.
Given that MariaDB the company is now owned by a private equity firm, I doubt it's going to get better.
To me the biggest "unknown" with Percona is that MariaDB (the company) bought out Codership (the creators of Galera Cluster, which XtraDB Cluster is based on) and it doesn't seem to be OSS any more.
I'm sure for some shops this will drive them to pay for the same feature in MariaDB cluster, but I'm more likely to just transition to MySQL Group Replication.
This is my whole point about MariaDB - they are steadily making their OSS software completely dependent on the company (paid) versions for anything beyond toy scale.
"Vinyl cache" is an interesting name. I wonder what other candidates the maintainers considered? I was secretly hoping they would name it "Veneer Cache" or something similar to "varnish".
It sounds like Varnish Cache is kind of a distribution of Vinyl Cache. It's based on the FOSS project with its own downstream patches.
On another topic:
> The Varnish Cache FOSS software was initiated and sponsored by the Norvegian newspaper Verdens Gang. They hired a company called “Linpro” to handle the logistics and me to write the code.
> From Linpro grew the company Varnish Software
> IP-Lawyers still insist that Varnish Software owns the Varnish Cache name
Consultants came in a just assumed the IP? It sounds like a pretty complicated cross-border ordeal, but that is still quite a leap.
The one positive of this is it seems to have livened up the open source project (Vinyl Cache). Features that haven't been added for years are now being worked on, whether they step on the toes of the commercial offering or not.
This article links to a previous one[0] (by Poul) which states:
> I will also state for the record, that there are no hard feelings between Varnish Software and the FOSS project.
I wonder if that is still the case now. (this article is fairly diplomatically written, but I'd imagine it must be pretty frustrating)
[0] https://vinyl-cache.org/organization/20-years.html#years
Well I guess the enterprise side of varnish was quite beneficial to him (and the core devs) over that time. If something gives you financial freedom over 10+ years to work on a thing you love, you can't be mad at all of it.
But if FOSS is deeply encoded into your DNA, you become pretty protective once you realize your project may become extinct sometimes in the future.
Does Fastly still uses Vinyl Cache? Wondering who else is using it as well in production.
In Canada, we pronounce it Vinyl CachÉE.
What a mess... It's sad that the community has to suffer the consequences of a company holding the trademark hostage.
does the mysql/mariadb comparison actually make sense? mysql is not really a downstream distro of mariadb (maaybe even the opposite?) so i thought i understood the situation as presented until that paragraph
The way I remember it, was that MySQL was sold, then some time after, MariaDB was created as a fork, and you could switch between them. Then at one point MariaDB diverged sufficiently that you could no longer "effortlessly" (kinda) switch between them, by now they're separate but MariaDB's origin is still MySQL obviously.
I had the same immediate reaction. It's a completely nonsensical comparison which just demonstrates the author is extremely confused about the relationship between MySQL and MariaDB, in terms of their corporate entities and project structures.
That said, it seems to be a common point of confusion among FOSS die-hards, but still super unfortunate to see it repeated in this context!
mysql was pretty much the downstream thing that everybody used back then.
The comparison with MySQL/MariaDB is unfortunate, given that since the "split" MariaDB has shown itself to be every bit the corporate owned "FOSS" project while its supporters still harp on about how terrible oracle is for OSS, without actually acknowledging the real history of each respective project and accompanying company.
Given that MariaDB the company is now owned by a private equity firm, I doubt it's going to get better.
Still got Percona, but I'm not sure what their status is at the moment.
To me the biggest "unknown" with Percona is that MariaDB (the company) bought out Codership (the creators of Galera Cluster, which XtraDB Cluster is based on) and it doesn't seem to be OSS any more.
I'm sure for some shops this will drive them to pay for the same feature in MariaDB cluster, but I'm more likely to just transition to MySQL Group Replication.
This is my whole point about MariaDB - they are steadily making their OSS software completely dependent on the company (paid) versions for anything beyond toy scale.
It definitely sounds more musical to my ears.
So its not a cache for my record collection ;(
"Vinyl cache" is an interesting name. I wonder what other candidates the maintainers considered? I was secretly hoping they would name it "Veneer Cache" or something similar to "varnish".
And the bike shed absolutely MUST be painted blue
Vinyl flooring etc is at least related to varnishing floors?
How about Shellac Cache