> so hopefully you can refresh a few times and get a fresh one every time
If you randomly sample from only 60 quotes, then after 10 refreshes there will be a greater than 50% chance of at least one repeat, and by 20 refreshes it's up to 95%. This is an example of the birthday paradox[1].
On the flip side, if someone wants to see all 60 quotes, they will have to refresh the page an average of 281 times, mostly (~80%) seeing quotes they've already seen before. This is an example of the coupon collector's problem[2].
The way to avoid both these problems is to shuffle the quotes into a random order, just once, and remember that order. The first time a user comes to the page, start at a random index in that shuffled list, and from then on, simply move to the next item in the list. Every user will get a unique set of random quotes, but will see no repeats until the list is exhausted, and will be guaranteed to be able to see all available content in just 60 refreshes.
If the user doesn't know how many unique items there are, they would need to keep refreshing even longer to gauge whether the N they've seen is the full set.
Few can top the opening line of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
But there were brave souls who tried, in the now-defunct Bulwer-Lytton Contest [0].
Where else could you find gems like these?
> The day I lost my tractor was the same day I found out my wife was moonlighting as a hooker when she gave me a wad of cash and told me, “It’s from a John, dear."
Truly evidence that we’re living in the worst timeline — the Bulwer-Lytton has been one of the highlights of my year for as long as I can remember. My parents introduced me to it before I could read; I remember them laughing and crying as they tried to explain to four-year-old me why this one inscrutable sentence was the funniest thing on earth. I’ve looked forward to it ever since, though recently I’ve only checked in to read the dishonorable mentions and winners once every few years.
Knowing I’ll never again check and find a year’s crop of perfect sentences dims the light more than I would have expected. Sad times.
> The Man in Black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.
I did not refresh to check if you already have that, but I really find it very strong. Its from Kings "Dark Tower - Black" (edit: its "The Gunslinger", not Black. its named "Schwarz" in the german translations) the first of 8 books in the series.
If you dont know it; its not like the usual King books. It mixes fantasy elements (inspired by LoTR), western, scfi (robots, AI-trains) cyberpunk and horror. Its a great series!
I actually read the first book and it was so poorly written it made me wonder if I should continue, because I did find the general story quite engaging. I've heard it gets better/tighter in subsequent books, but it was the only King i've ever read so wasn't sure if he just had a sort of sloppy style (he did write pretty prolifically). I also read it following a Cormac McCarthy book so that might have lead me to believe it was sloppier than it deserved.
> I actually read the first book and it was so poorly written it made me wonder if I should continue
In his defense, that was early in his career, and in one of the countless afterwords or prefaces, he also mentions that he has, of course, evolved since then.
"The Gunslinger" is really a bit borderline. The next one, "The Drawing of the Three" is much more complex and better written. You could also read the last book first ("The Wind Through the Keyhole"); it’s separate from the main story and set somewhere in between, but it’s the final book.
> Cormac McCarthy
No country for old men? Its probably in my top 5 of all the books (and movies) that I read. A masterpiece.
Edit: i realized i mixed the names up. Its not black, its "The Gunslinger". Its translated as black in the german series and confused me.
I haven't read No Country yet - I think at the time it was Suttree which is definitely in my top 5 - I also read The Road recently and was pretty blown away, really quick read and very meticulously structured, I loved it. I'll make a point to read No Country, I heard it was originally written as a screenplay and so is less descriptive than his other work.
I may be one of the few people who preferred the original version of The Gunslinger.
I dropped it after Wizard and Glass, though. I really like the setting and the concepts in the Dark Tower but it started to feel a bit too self indulgent and up King's own ass, and I just kind of stopped caring.
Also the older I got the more cringe Susannah Dean became as a character.
May I submit these? Didn't see these after many refreshes:
"Into the face of the young man who sat on the terrace of the Hotel Magnifique at Cannes there had crept a look of furtive shame, the shifty, hangdog look which announces that an Englishman is about to talk French." - Wodehouse, The Luck of the Bodkins
"When he was nearly thirteen my brother Jem got his arm badly broken at the elbow." - Harper Lee. To Kill A Mockingbird
"Scarlett O'Hara was not beautiful, but men seldom realized it when caught by her charm as the Tarleton twins were."- Margaret Mitchell. Gone With the Wind
I'd be interested to know what everyone's favorite opening lines of all time are. (bonus - to see how much of it you can quote without looking :)
For me, its:
Whann that aprill with hir shoures soote,
The drought of march hath perced to the roote,
And zepherus eek with his sweete breath,
inspired hath in every holt and heth,
the tendre cropes, and the sonne hath in the ram,
hir halve cours ironne,
Than preketh hem natur in hir courages,
and longon folk to gon on pilgrimages.
Somehow that has always stuck with me, I'm sure I'm missing parts, but from the first time I ever heard these lines the just imprinted themselves like a song to me.
"The war tried to kill us in the spring" from The Yellow Birds always stuck with me, for its complete decoupling of the war from the men who had come thousands of miles to fight it.
** ETA the full opening:
“The war tried to kill us in the spring. As grass greened the plains of Nineveh and the weather warmed, we patrolled the low-slung hills beyond the cities and towns. We moved over them and through the tall grass on faith, kneading paths into the windswept growth like pioneers. While we slept, the war rubbed its thousand ribs against the ground in prayer.
“The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents.”
Though for me it’s the second line that nails it: “We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.”
Curiously, it seems difficult to find John Donne's Meditations XVII with the original language. The spelling has been modernized everywhere I can find it online.
(I suppose this technically isn't the opening line, but it's the first line used when most people quote the passage.)
No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine
"Into the face of the young man who sat on the terrace of the Hotel Magnifique at Cannes there had crept a look of furtive shame, the shifty hangdog look which announces that an Englishman is about to speak French."
― P.G. Wodehouse, The Luck of the Bodkins
Being English, from the south, where learning French to only a poor standard is a common pastime, you can just picture it instantly.
Frustrating without a way to get to the list of works, because it's not clear when you've seen them all.
You start having to guess how many there are, based on how many you have seen and how many have repeated, and the distance between seeing ones you haven't yet seen before.
A problem made worse, the more quotes there are, as if you have N quotes, then you expect to see the one you see the most often approximately e.ln(N) times ( iirc, for large N ).
( Or put another way: given N items, you expect the gap between discovering the penultimate one and the last one to be N. )
This is awesome! 9 months ago or so some coworkers and I had the idea to make a Wordle style game where you have to guess the book using some clues from a book including the first sentence. I stopped adding clues myself but your post reminded me to get it open sourced :)
Really cool idea! Add a possibility to send you tips for other books. Here is mine: "As GREGOR SAMSA awoke one morning from uneasy dreams he found himself transformed in his bed into a gigantic insect" Metamorphosis by Franz Kafka
obligatory note that there's no great single translation for Ungezeifer. Vermin, pest, insect, arthropod, spider, bug, mouse, "animal unfit for sacrifice" all fit https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Ungeziefer
I've always wanted to do this! I've scraped Gutenberg and tried some clever ways to get the first line, but I always got so much noise. Perhaps it's a good time to try again!
"It was inevitable: the scent of bitter almonds always reminded him of the fate of unrequited love."
> Love in the Time of Cholera - Gabriel García Márquez
After trying a lot, I only saw lines from books written originally in English.
Therefore, I assume I'll not see my favorite:
> Muchos años después, frente al pelotón de fusilamiento, el coronel Aureliano Buendía había de recordar aquella tarde remota en que su padre lo llevó a conocer el hielo.
My translation:
"Many years later, in front of the firing squad, colonel Aureliano Buendía would remember that distant afternoon when his father took him to discover ice."
> so hopefully you can refresh a few times and get a fresh one every time
If you randomly sample from only 60 quotes, then after 10 refreshes there will be a greater than 50% chance of at least one repeat, and by 20 refreshes it's up to 95%. This is an example of the birthday paradox[1].
On the flip side, if someone wants to see all 60 quotes, they will have to refresh the page an average of 281 times, mostly (~80%) seeing quotes they've already seen before. This is an example of the coupon collector's problem[2].
The way to avoid both these problems is to shuffle the quotes into a random order, just once, and remember that order. The first time a user comes to the page, start at a random index in that shuffled list, and from then on, simply move to the next item in the list. Every user will get a unique set of random quotes, but will see no repeats until the list is exhausted, and will be guaranteed to be able to see all available content in just 60 refreshes.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupon_collector%27s_problem
I'd prefer have a unique and shared quote each day keyed on the day of the year. Then restart when going above N and shuffle.
Why shuffle, though?
TIL about the coupon collector problem. Thanks for sharing that link
If the user doesn't know how many unique items there are, they would need to keep refreshing even longer to gauge whether the N they've seen is the full set.
Make sure you fingerprint every user to make sure they're using the right index value /s
Few can top the opening line of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
But there were brave souls who tried, in the now-defunct Bulwer-Lytton Contest [0].
Where else could you find gems like these?
0: https://www.bulwer-lytton.comTruly evidence that we’re living in the worst timeline — the Bulwer-Lytton has been one of the highlights of my year for as long as I can remember. My parents introduced me to it before I could read; I remember them laughing and crying as they tried to explain to four-year-old me why this one inscrutable sentence was the funniest thing on earth. I’ve looked forward to it ever since, though recently I’ve only checked in to read the dishonorable mentions and winners once every few years.
Knowing I’ll never again check and find a year’s crop of perfect sentences dims the light more than I would have expected. Sad times.
The "Lyttle Lytton" contest seems to still be going strong, for what it's worth: https://adamcadre.ac/lyttle/2026.html
"Maman died today. Or yesterday maybe, I don’t know." - The Stranger, Camus
Really cool!
> The Man in Black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.
I did not refresh to check if you already have that, but I really find it very strong. Its from Kings "Dark Tower - Black" (edit: its "The Gunslinger", not Black. its named "Schwarz" in the german translations) the first of 8 books in the series.
If you dont know it; its not like the usual King books. It mixes fantasy elements (inspired by LoTR), western, scfi (robots, AI-trains) cyberpunk and horror. Its a great series!
I actually read the first book and it was so poorly written it made me wonder if I should continue, because I did find the general story quite engaging. I've heard it gets better/tighter in subsequent books, but it was the only King i've ever read so wasn't sure if he just had a sort of sloppy style (he did write pretty prolifically). I also read it following a Cormac McCarthy book so that might have lead me to believe it was sloppier than it deserved.
> I actually read the first book and it was so poorly written it made me wonder if I should continue
In his defense, that was early in his career, and in one of the countless afterwords or prefaces, he also mentions that he has, of course, evolved since then.
"The Gunslinger" is really a bit borderline. The next one, "The Drawing of the Three" is much more complex and better written. You could also read the last book first ("The Wind Through the Keyhole"); it’s separate from the main story and set somewhere in between, but it’s the final book.
> Cormac McCarthy
No country for old men? Its probably in my top 5 of all the books (and movies) that I read. A masterpiece.
Edit: i realized i mixed the names up. Its not black, its "The Gunslinger". Its translated as black in the german series and confused me.
I haven't read No Country yet - I think at the time it was Suttree which is definitely in my top 5 - I also read The Road recently and was pretty blown away, really quick read and very meticulously structured, I loved it. I'll make a point to read No Country, I heard it was originally written as a screenplay and so is less descriptive than his other work.
I may be one of the few people who preferred the original version of The Gunslinger.
I dropped it after Wizard and Glass, though. I really like the setting and the concepts in the Dark Tower but it started to feel a bit too self indulgent and up King's own ass, and I just kind of stopped caring.
Also the older I got the more cringe Susannah Dean became as a character.
The exact same thing happened to me. I re-read The Gunslinger a decade after my first read, and somehow found it even worse.
For a long time I refused to read King, but I've since read Salem's Lot, Pet Sematary and The Shining and all were great.
May I submit these? Didn't see these after many refreshes:
"Into the face of the young man who sat on the terrace of the Hotel Magnifique at Cannes there had crept a look of furtive shame, the shifty, hangdog look which announces that an Englishman is about to talk French." - Wodehouse, The Luck of the Bodkins
"When he was nearly thirteen my brother Jem got his arm badly broken at the elbow." - Harper Lee. To Kill A Mockingbird
"Scarlett O'Hara was not beautiful, but men seldom realized it when caught by her charm as the Tarleton twins were."- Margaret Mitchell. Gone With the Wind
I'd be interested to know what everyone's favorite opening lines of all time are. (bonus - to see how much of it you can quote without looking :)
For me, its: Whann that aprill with hir shoures soote, The drought of march hath perced to the roote, And zepherus eek with his sweete breath, inspired hath in every holt and heth, the tendre cropes, and the sonne hath in the ram, hir halve cours ironne, Than preketh hem natur in hir courages, and longon folk to gon on pilgrimages.
Somehow that has always stuck with me, I'm sure I'm missing parts, but from the first time I ever heard these lines the just imprinted themselves like a song to me.
"The war tried to kill us in the spring" from The Yellow Birds always stuck with me, for its complete decoupling of the war from the men who had come thousands of miles to fight it.
** ETA the full opening:
“The war tried to kill us in the spring. As grass greened the plains of Nineveh and the weather warmed, we patrolled the low-slung hills beyond the cities and towns. We moved over them and through the tall grass on faith, kneading paths into the windswept growth like pioneers. While we slept, the war rubbed its thousand ribs against the ground in prayer.
"All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way" -- Leo Tolstoy, "Anna Karenina"
There’s also: “It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife.”
“The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents.”
Though for me it’s the second line that nails it: “We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.”
"The moon blew up without warning and for no apparent reason." - Seveneves
"All this happened, more or less." - Slaughterhouse-Five
Curiously, it seems difficult to find John Donne's Meditations XVII with the original language. The spelling has been modernized everywhere I can find it online.
(I suppose this technically isn't the opening line, but it's the first line used when most people quote the passage.)
No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine
I've always liked:
"Into the face of the young man who sat on the terrace of the Hotel Magnifique at Cannes there had crept a look of furtive shame, the shifty hangdog look which announces that an Englishman is about to speak French."
― P.G. Wodehouse, The Luck of the Bodkins
Being English, from the south, where learning French to only a poor standard is a common pastime, you can just picture it instantly.
From memory: The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a bad channel
Close! (I had to look it up.) "The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel." (Neuromancer, William Gibson)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvNCSw_gXXI
last night i dreamt i went to Manderley again
For reference, a famous Irish coffee-table (read: bathroom) book in a similar vein:
https://www.abebooks.com/Said-Duchess-First-Lines-Gemma-OCon...
And from a cursory few refreshes I didn't see the obvious one come up:
"It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen." Orwell, 1984
It’s there.
Nice. The only opening line I remember offhand is from Neuromancer (which I'm glad to see is included in the site!)
"The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel."
Frustrating without a way to get to the list of works, because it's not clear when you've seen them all.
You start having to guess how many there are, based on how many you have seen and how many have repeated, and the distance between seeing ones you haven't yet seen before.
A problem made worse, the more quotes there are, as if you have N quotes, then you expect to see the one you see the most often approximately e.ln(N) times ( iirc, for large N ).
( Or put another way: given N items, you expect the gap between discovering the penultimate one and the last one to be N. )
I cheated and looked at the source:
There are 60 quotes.
So expect ~280 refreshes to collect 'em all.
should i do it? im looking for the "The Day Lasts More Than a Hundred Years" opening lines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_Lasts_More_Than_a_Hund...
"The hungry vixen had to be patient as she searched for prey among the dried-out gullies and the bare ravines."
https://www.amazon.com/Lasts-More-than-Hundred-Years/dp/0253...
OK, and the median?
This is awesome! 9 months ago or so some coworkers and I had the idea to make a Wordle style game where you have to guess the book using some clues from a book including the first sentence. I stopped adding clues myself but your post reminded me to get it open sourced :)
There's a small client-only app here to check out: https://github.com/loganintech/bookdle https://loganintech.github.io/bookdle/
Or if you want to see the source code for the "platform" where I added a database and such: https://github.com/loganintech/bookdle-platform
Really cool idea! Add a possibility to send you tips for other books. Here is mine: "As GREGOR SAMSA awoke one morning from uneasy dreams he found himself transformed in his bed into a gigantic insect" Metamorphosis by Franz Kafka
obligatory note that there's no great single translation for Ungezeifer. Vermin, pest, insect, arthropod, spider, bug, mouse, "animal unfit for sacrifice" all fit https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Ungeziefer
Whoever likes this will likely also enjoy this clock announcing the time using literary quotes: https://www.amazon.com/Author-Clock-Literary-Quotes-Unique/d...
(What I particularly enjoy is that one can contribute to the database of quotations.)
This reminds me how much weight a great opening sentence carries. Some of them are memorable decades later because they establish the tone immediately
Either that or they’ve been repeated by the audience so often as to lose all their appeal.
> "I was born in the City of Bombay… once upon a time." > Midnight's Children > Salman Rushdie · 1981
Ok so I guess it is literally just openings of famous literary works, and not great first lines
Love the aesthetics ... the fonts ... sizes ... colors ... nicely done!
I've always wanted to do this! I've scraped Gutenberg and tried some clever ways to get the first line, but I always got so much noise. Perhaps it's a good time to try again!
I like how "A Wrinkle in Time" starts:"It was a dark and stormy night."
This is called incipit, right? In both English and French afaik.
"It was inevitable: the scent of bitter almonds always reminded him of the fate of unrequited love." > Love in the Time of Cholera - Gabriel García Márquez
I tried to press space, arrow keys, enter, tab, etc to get to next quote. None of those worked
Click on "NEXT CHAPTER" in the upper right hand corner
English literature heavily overrepresented
Classic HN
It would be fun if you had to guess what book it’s from
Great idea! I would love a tailored version based on Goodreads or Storygraph
Now please please make for with the first comment of every HN front page posts ever.
edit: added “please”
What about making it a daily style game where you have to guess which book the opening is from?
It was a dark and stormy night.
After trying a lot, I only saw lines from books written originally in English.
Therefore, I assume I'll not see my favorite:
> Muchos años después, frente al pelotón de fusilamiento, el coronel Aureliano Buendía había de recordar aquella tarde remota en que su padre lo llevó a conocer el hielo.
My translation:
"Many years later, in front of the firing squad, colonel Aureliano Buendía would remember that distant afternoon when his father took him to discover ice."
>I assume I'll not see my favorite
Your favorite was the first I saw. Just FYI.
Nevertheless, García Márquez preferred Rabassa's English translation to his original!
There's an okay Netflix mini series of it, FYI.
you should add closing line too.
this is nice, simple idea, but nice. I think the style of the site is also appropriate for what this is :)
wonderful project thanks for making it :)
Cool beans.
It was a dark and stormy night... /s